Miro Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 Somewhat of a sad rant coming up. Trigger warning for some self-deprecating language as a result of other people reacting to me being aro. Foreword, I love being aro, and I'm happy to finally know what I am. But dealing with people's reaction to it is still a struggle. (First post here, please let me know if venting posts like this need to go elsewhere or should be taken down!) What being aro feels like for me right now: Forever friend zoning people and having that feeling that all the things they've done for you up til that point that you thought was done willingly actually came at a price you didn't know you had to pay. And then once they reach a breaking point because you haven't returned the same amount of gesture, even if you've been vulnerable and supportive and is otherwise a good friend, suddenly all the things they do for you is revoked even though you were under the impression that you were reciprocating via friendship. Suddenly you're Insensitive. Even though all the criteria has been the same from your end, and you thought the friendship was mutual. And then losing a friend even though you were just.... Making a friend. And that creeping thought that they only did those things because they were romantically interested, which in my head has zero value, which makes me feel like I'm not worth being nice to unless I am being romanced, which I don't place any value in. And when I complain about getting too much romantic attention I get told I'm not appreciating people liking me. Even though people liking me has always only ended up with me hurt and losing a friend. Even though people liking me romantically has always only meant that my existence alone caused people pain. And then no one understands why you're going through just as much pain as they are. Because their heartbreak is romantic and therefore will always, ALWAYS, be prioritized over any other heartache. Even the allies instinctively do not question that of course the alloromantic is suffering more. Further confirming that being aro just means I'm broken because I think my friendship heartbreak is just as painful as someone's romance heartbreak. TL;DR for some reason I attract a lot of romantic attention and contrary to popular opinion it makes me feel worthless.
NullVector Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 @Miro your post reminds me of some things other people here have said. You might like this thread.
Emerald Cheetah Posted November 7, 2018 Posted November 7, 2018 On 11/6/2018 at 12:25 AM, Miro said: I think my friendship heartbreak is just as painful as someone's romance heartbreak. I agree that losing a friend can be just as painful but I'd actually go as far as to say that it can often be more painful that breaking up with a romantic partner. I may have never dated before but I know what it's like to lose a best friend and that hurts more than anything because you feel like the one person you would first turn to is gone. Whereas if you breakup with a boyfriend or girlfriend, you always have your friends to fall back on and they'll agree with you saying "yeah he/she was such a jerk." and "We're here for you." But when you lose a friend, picking sides is not a good option because chances are your friends are still friends with your ex-friend. So basically you have nobody to fall back to except for people who are completely removed from the situation such as a parent or a long-distance friend. Not to mention we're always taught when we're younger that boys come and go, but friends are forever. We are lead to falsely believe that we'll always have out friends but when we actually lose one, we are taken completely by surprise. You never go into a friendship thinking that it will end as violently as a relationship breakup but it can happen. On 11/6/2018 at 12:25 AM, Miro said: TL;DR for some reason I attract a lot of romantic attention and contrary to popular opinion it makes me feel worthless. Wow, that must be harsh. I have quite the opposite situation. I've only had one dude at my school ask me out and when that ship never sailed, we were still friends. Okay, I actually did have someone else kind of admit to having liked me but we were still friends there too. So I guess, the amount of secret admirers is completely unknown but I certainly don't gain as much attention because I don't care about keeping up good looks with makeup nor do I have an outgoing personality that attracts attention. I'm a very unconventional person. Perhaps if you make the fact that you're aromantic more well-known, it will prevent most of these problems?
Miro Posted November 8, 2018 Author Posted November 8, 2018 @NullVector thanks for the link, I looked into it and it's definitely nice to see I'm not the only one who's romo-zoned. It's just.... It's a situation where no one wins and everyone suffers you know? And it's hard not to think it's your own fault when it's because society is so allonormative. @Emerald Cheetah I know it sounds like I'm unappreciative of people liking me and I have plenty of allonormative friends who wish they were in my position. But all it has meant for me is I lose people because of it. For no other reason than simply being me. Being aromantic is something I've only realized in the last month, and I've already had to end a seven year long relationship because of it. Losing an important person (my seven year relationship) as well as a best friend, both because I am aro and they are allo, at the same time, just makes it easier to think there's something wrong with ME. I don't know, it just sucks to be honest.
nonmerci Posted November 8, 2018 Posted November 8, 2018 Don't forget that this could happen to allo too. Or for instance a straight person having a crush on a gay person, and vice versa. And you are not responsible for how you feel. There is something wrong with no one, and certainly not with you. People should understand that losing a friend is important too, and that you could feel hurt or depressed for that too. People value so much romantic relationship that they forget that there are other things in the world they can value. Am I the only one who never get the "we can't date so don't be friends?". I mean, ok you didn't want to date, but it don't invalidate that fact that you get along and have things in common. So why reject the friedship just because you can't have the romantic love?
Emerald Cheetah Posted November 10, 2018 Posted November 10, 2018 On 11/8/2018 at 10:47 AM, nonmerci said: Am I the only one who never get the "we can't date so don't be friends?". I mean, ok you didn't want to date, but it don't invalidate that fact that you get along and have things in common. So why reject the friedship just because you can't have the romantic love? YES! Exactly! I've always had a similar question but mine is more along the lines of "why can't girls and guys just be friends?" because I've had very few guy friends in my life and I feel like it's impossible to form any close relationship with a dude without it all of a sudden becoming "romance". But yes, I definitely agree with still being friends if dating isn't an option. I think it really depends on the person. Some people seem to think that friendship isn't really important and that romantic love is all the matters so I'm not surprised that there are people who would do that. Especially since being friendzoned is apparently sooooo horrible. However this belief is probably due to a variety of factors including the media's portrayal of love, and our personalities, etc. etc. It's honestly a shame that people underappreciate the value of friendship but it just happens. On 11/8/2018 at 12:04 AM, Miro said: Losing an important person (my seven year relationship) as well as a best friend, both because I am aro and they are allo, at the same time, just makes it easier to think there's something wrong with ME. From what I've heard, I don't think there's anything wrong with you. You just happen to be different from the norm and therefore less people can understand your point of view. I was actually talking about this in my advanced English class today. We were talking about how people, nowadays, tend to fight over right and wrong without ever trying to understand the other person's point of view. It happens all the time, like when someone complains about how bad their day was and then it becomes a competition about who had the worst day. Like Seriously? It's kind of sad. But I don't think you should have anything to be ashamed of. I don't know the specifics of how it all happened, but it sounds like they refused to understand your point of view and when that happens, it's a lost cause. Being yourself in this world is hard when everyone seems to judge one another harshly for their differences but trust me, being someone you're not will only spell disaster. If people can't accept the real you, then they don't deserve to be apart of your life. That's how I see it anyways. It may hurt at first, but in the long run, you'll reap the benefits and find people who truly understand you.
Holmbo Posted November 10, 2018 Posted November 10, 2018 On 11/6/2018 at 11:17 PM, NullVector said: @Miro your post reminds me of some things other people here have said. You might like this thread. Yes! Let's bring the romozone concept back up. I want us to have it in our general vocab. @Miro I totally know what you're feeling. Especially that realization of: Oh, it was just involuntary hormonal reactions that made you interested. @nonmerci I actually don't think it makes sense to befriend someone who has a romantic cruch on you because in my experience the basis of romantic and platonic reaction can be totally different, and once someone has romozoned you it's pretty much impossible to get out of it.
Autumn Posted December 17, 2018 Posted December 17, 2018 Oh man do I feel this. I'm not sure how often I've experienced this specifically (I haven't done much socializing at all after elementary school, not irl anyways) but I feel like I did have a conversation like that before in school. And it's this mindset that makes me hesitant to bother befriending anyone in person, especially anyone of the opposite gender since pretty much any friendship could be seen as 'leading them on' if they're interested in you. I know not all allos are like that of course but it's still something I'm wary of. But being aro doesn't make you broken it all, I figure it's society that has the issue since it over fixates on one type of relationship model while de-emphasizing other kinds. Unfortunately I don't have any real answers for this yet, but I can assure you at least that you aren't the only person struggling with this and that there are people that will be more open-minded out there, it just takes effort to find them.
mirithepuppy Posted January 16, 2019 Posted January 16, 2019 I feel this so much! I'm pretty, skinny, intelligent, and nice. And especially where I live, I'm seen as the type of "dream girl" everyone wants to date and marry. Every man who talks to me is trying to ask for my number or ask me out. I get catcalled and flirted with constantly, and I hate it. It all seems so fake and superficial. I really like experimenting with makeup, but I usually don't wear it in public in an attempt to avoid some of the attention I get. It doesn't work. I still get followed home when I'm not wearing any makeup. I still get asked out when I'm in a hoodie, makeup-less, and with greasy hair. Nobody seems to be able to leave me alone until I start yelling swears at them or pull out my pepper spray. There seems to be no effective way to say "no" without raising my voice. My "I don't want a boyfriend" gets the response, "Oh cool, I wanna take this slow, too." Like, no, I DON'T want to take it slow. I don't want to take this anywhere at all, please get away from me. I've wanted a guy best friend for a really long time, but every guy I've become good friends with started expecting more. At this point, I feel like I should wear a neon sign. "DON'T ASK ME OUT. I DON'T WANT TO DATE YOUR STUPID ASS." And every time I reject a good friend, I experience that friendship breakup. I cry and am miserable because this person, who I thought valued me as a person, actually only valued me as a future wife. And I lost what could have been a lifelong friend just because they couldn't handle being in a non-romantic relationship with me.
NotHeartless Posted January 16, 2019 Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, mirithepuppy said: And every time I reject a good friend, I experience that friendship breakup. I cry and am miserable because this person, who I thought valued me as a person, actually only valued me as a future wife. And I lost what could have been a lifelong friend just because they couldn't handle being in a non-romantic relationship with me. I feel you. And everyone else in this thread. Losing a friend is generally painful to me. In some cases I needed years to get over it completely. With all the acquaintances and friends I had over the years I need to say (without any brag cuz I sincerely wish it wasn't like it) too many of them started to have romantic attraction to me, at one point or another. And my aro ass didn't understand it because I never did anything special. Just being myself (maybe I'm too friendly and my friendliness gets interpreted as interest in something "more" or as flirting, idk). I also didn't get how they felt different towards me because for the longest time I assumed they'd feel the same way I feel about them - stronger platonic affection, at best. And whenever someone told me they have a crush on me or even outright said they love me (clearly in a romantic way) - all I could think was "I'm sorry". Because even before realizing my aroness, I knew I would never be able, nor would I like to, to return the feelings. I may not know what it's like to be in love but I know it hurts to be rejected. And to lose someone who's important to you. I always felt like a heartbreaker, still occasionally do - without the actual intention to hurt anyone. It just happens and that's depressing. I should consider the idea with the neon sign. Or rather that's why it was important for me to understand I'm aromantic. Even with my experience I'm still often naive and don't consider (at the beginning of a friendship) they could fall in love with me. It's rarely on my radar (well, I wonder why!). Guess I still won't be able to prevent every heartbreak but maybe some of them. And by the way I know the nasty feeling of Great, they only spent time with me because they wanted to have a romantic relationship too well.
BecauseMeg Posted January 16, 2019 Posted January 16, 2019 On 11/6/2018 at 1:25 AM, Miro said: And when I complain about getting too much romantic attention I get told I'm not appreciating people liking me. Even though people liking me has always only ended up with me hurt and losing a friend. Even though people liking me romantically has always only meant that my existence alone caused people pain. And then no one understands why you're going through just as much pain as they are. Because their heartbreak is romantic and therefore will always, ALWAYS, be prioritized over any other heartache. Even the allies instinctively do not question that of course the alloromantic is suffering more. Further confirming that being aro just means I'm broken because I think my friendship heartbreak is just as painful as someone's romance heartbreak. For alloromantics, complaining about getting too much romantic attraction is like complaining over a 99 on a test. They don't get what it's like to be aro. They just don't .Even people in the queer community, even allies, the idea that romance is natural, that it is more important than anything else, don't understand what it means to be aro. Nobody makes the effort to understand, either. Because their romantic feeling are always more important. Even if they don' think we are broken, they still view us as lesser. They know so much about life and romance already that there is no need to understand the feelings and lives of aros. I think alloromantics not understanding how we feel is the biggest problem. In my opinion, friendship heartbreak for aros is worse than romance heartbreak to alloromantic people, because alloromantics are following society's standards and they can be understood and they can count on people to understand them and make them feel better, while nobody takes our friendship heartbreak seriously because "it was just a friend" and we are "broken" already. Nobody's probably going to understand what we are going through. Life as an aro person surrounded by alloromantics is hard, but that's why Arocalypse is so important - we do understand what you are going through. I love having an aro community that understands me, and I hope you will find strength here, too.
NullVector Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 On 1/16/2019 at 5:55 PM, BecauseMeg said: In my opinion, friendship heartbreak for aros is worse than romance heartbreak to alloromantic people, because alloromantics are following society's standards and they can be understood and they can count on people to understand them and make them feel better, while nobody takes our friendship heartbreak seriously because "it was just a friend" and we are "broken" already. I like how you put this. I think it's also often the case that aromantics who aren't aware of their own identity/label can be alienated from their own friendship heartbreak. They might feel like they would be being silly or overreacting by fully acknowledging it (for 'just a friend'). When you're partly suppressing your own feelings and nobody else seems outwardly accepting of them as valid, then they might not seem real even to you? (if you think something shouln't exist, and everyone seems to be saying that it doesn't exist, you might manage to convince yourself that you arent really feeling what you're feeling)
Evelyn Posted February 12, 2019 Posted February 12, 2019 On 1/21/2019 at 10:36 AM, NullVector said: They might feel like they would be being silly or overreacting by fully acknowledging it (for 'just a friend'). When you're partly suppressing your own feelings and nobody else seems outwardly accepting of them as valid, then they might not seem real even to you? (if you think something shouln't exist, and everyone seems to be saying that it doesn't exist, you might manage to convince yourself that you arent really feeling what you're feeling) I love the way you worded this. I'm having an issue similar to op right now, cause I, an aro/ace female, get along with guys better then I do with other girls and theres a serious repercussion because once I get close to the guys in my friend group, they just want to date. Never wanting to hurt them I dont exactly give a straight answer but when I do. I loose a valuable friend and it hurts, because I know they are hurting and I dont want them to, but theres nothing I can do to stop this without either flat out saying I'm aro/ace and outing myself to a non inclusive school or pretending to go along with it, hurting everyone in the process... I just want it to stop.... I'm proud to be ace but im running out of options....
Mark Posted February 14, 2019 Posted February 14, 2019 On 11/8/2018 at 4:47 PM, nonmerci said: Don't forget that this could happen to allo too. Or for instance a straight person having a crush on a gay person, and vice versa. I think the vice versa situations equivalent to a gay person experiencing a crush or lush on a straight person certainly is possible between allos and aros. With possibly even more mutual misunderstanding. With allos likely to misinterpret anything not purely platonic as romantic interest. On 1/16/2019 at 5:55 PM, BecauseMeg said: For alloromantics, complaining about getting too much romantic attraction is like complaining over a 99 on a test. They don't get what it's like to be aro. They just don't .Even people in the queer community, even allies, the idea that romance is natural, that it is more important than anything else, don't understand what it means to be aro. Nobody makes the effort to understand, either. Whilst completely missing the irony of the queer community advocating diversity when it comes to sexual orientation, but "one size fits all" in terms of relationships.
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