What women really want

[TruthSeeker]

Since the 60’s, women have had the freedom in Western countries to be as free sexually as they wanted to. Religious dogmas did not have any effect on liberated women, and contraceptives and abortion made the consequences of sexual freedom almost insignificant. But over the decades women have come to understand that pleasure is not as much associated with the male body as it is with the female body. They have discovered that lesbian porn is what rocks their boat, and one night stands with an attractive bisexual woman, is the pinnacle of their sexual experiences. Thousands upon thousand of straight women declare their undying desire for sexy female lesbians on tiktok, often with the expression: «I’m sorry, mammy*. Married women are considering leaving their husbands, or choosing a female partner if the marriage ends.

On online forums women are often proudly telling men that women are better kissers, that woman are better in bed. Even that their best sexual experience was that one time they had sex with another woman. Men don’t to seem care much about these things. The male brain is hard-wired to think that women are heterosexual, and if they don’t behave heterosexually, they are just complicated, and it’s not possible to understand women for a man. When guys see two straight girls kiss, and these girls seem to be so into each other, seemingly much more than when they are kissing their boyfriends, guys just shrug their shoulders, and think they are doing it to excite them.
When guys approach these kissing girls, and get a cold shoulder and an angry look, they don’t think that it invalidates their assumption, but instead gets another beer and tries to hit on some other girls.

The male tunnel-vision when it comes to women is quite necessary for their ability to keep going and approaching women endlessly to meet that one in twenty or more that will say yes to him. The quite handsome guys that got rejected by 10 women at the local nightclub, did not notice that the quite sexy bisexual woman got the first sexy straight girl she approached, and that the straight girl’s friend, made a pass at a lesbian woman, but got rejected, because lesbian women know that straight girls are only after one thing: sex [oh, the irony].

The late Norah Vincent was a lesbian woman that in 2006 decided to test if life really was easier for men than for women. She was from nature’s side somewhat male looking, but changed her appearance so much that people did not doubt she was a man. During a period of more than one year, she amongst other things went on dates with 30 women. In an interview, she explains how she barely had any good experiences dating women as a man. But she reveals that she often told the women she was dating that she in fact was a woman. After initially getting angry because of the deceit, many of the women then wanted to have sex with her...

 

It seems there are not many studies that really dive into the depths of female sexuality. When scientists wanted to know if women also look at women’s breasts, i.e. objectify women, they found that women look just as much at women’s breasts as men do. But it does not end there. When shows different videos of attractive men and then attractive women, one found that women were much more aroused by the women than by the men. Then one could wonder if this translates into real physical experiences, but that is where the scientific research community fails by not putting this to the test. At a college it was tested if women would say yes to attractive men asking if they wanted sex that evening, and if men would say yes to sex with attractive women. The results showed that 75% of men say yes, and 0% of women said yes. So the hypothesis that both men and women are heterosexual, was with this experiment proven to be false. So did the researchers then create a new hypothesis: «Men are heterosexual and women are homosexual» and use attractive women to ask women if they wanted sex that night? No, they did not. It is almost impossible to find serious research that tries to dispel the myth of female heterosexuality. One has to venture into YouTube prank-videos to get an indication of the real female sexual orientation. There one can see girls asking random girls on campus for dates, and all of them saying «yes», even if they first expressed they were heterosexual. And one can see videos there of girls kissing random girls on the street, and the girls enjoying it tremendously, even right in front of their boyfriends.

It would be wonderful if real scientists started asking the tough questions, and doing research that would redefine and destroy the old ideas and concepts of female sexual orientation. Ask any bisexual woman if there are are straight girls out there, and she would say with smile that there are almost no heterosexual girls out there. Lesbians will tell you that it is much easier to get a straight girl to bed than another lesbian. Think of all the men that sacrifice time, money, blood sweat and tears just to get lucky once in a blue moon, but most women can just pick up any babe they want, any day of the week.

 

Another matter is how much women enjoy being with men sexually. There are endless articles in newspapers and magazines about how men can make women enjoy sex more. This is based on the fact that only 30% of women get orgasm every time they have sex with men, but most men get orgasm every time they have sex with women. On top of that, around 80% of women reveal they have faked orgasm with men one or more times in their life. These facts are like canon shots towards the bow of the vessel called female heterosexuality, when one takes into consideration that 86% of women that have sex with women get orgasm each time. A common argument here is that female on female sex is mostly clitoral stimulation and not regular intercourse. However, data shows that when asked only 50% of women that received oral sex from men reached orgasm last time it was performed. «Women know women better» is then the common explanation or perhaps hetero-biased diversion, to this phenomenon. It is easy to forget that women also have a profound effect on men, the opposite sex, so they seem to also «know men better» if sexual orientation and arousal suddenly is about some kind of special knowledge and skill. To take it even further, would women really want the experienced grandmother to go down on them, or the young inexperienced bi-curious girl with the perfect body and million dollar smile...

 

When couples are looking for a threesome, it seems like an overwhelming majority of them are looking for a woman in bed. According to a bisexual woman in the British reality-show «Open House», it is very common for women in threesomes not to allow they boyfriend to have sex with the other girl, while enjoying herself fully. Have women been like men all through the centuries of male oppression? Have their desire for extramarital sex with women been just as strong as men’s desire to have sex with other women?
Now that women are free to choose, it is looking more and more like women desire women just as much as men, and they are simply not able to get enough of this sensual, luxurious delight.

Moreover, when that have one-night stands with other women, seem to have no regrets at all. When asked about these things, women often just focus on how amazing it is, how women understand each other, and the passion that is often much more than they’ve experienced with any man.
Yoni massage by women, for women, is also gaining popularity, and women are finally able to reach orgasm, time and time again from the sensual touch of another woman.
Women might still prefer men for relationships, but many women will say they feel much closer to other women than to men. So perhaps men are becoming obsolete in the eyes of women, perhaps not.

Time will tell.

Edited September 7, 2022 by TruthSeeker

[Jedi]

lol what?

Dude, wtf is your sources for any of this? I mean, sometimes you're referencing a study that I have at least heard of. Some of these studies I have no idea what they are, if they're real. Sometimes you make hard statements about women's experience with no basis on anything. Ticktocks? This one lady on a reality tv show? Made up anecdotes about men in nightclubs?

No hypothesis has been proven anything, you're rambling.

Why did you show up to this particular forum with this thinkpiece? I know I should probably just ignore this, but I can't help but be a little bit curious.

[TruthSeeker]

19 minutes ago, Jedi said:

lol what?

Dude, wtf is your sources for any of this? I mean, sometimes you're referencing a study that I have at least heard of. Some of these studies I have no idea what they are, if they're real. Sometimes you make hard statements about women's experience with no basis on anything. Ticktocks? This one lady on a reality tv show? Made up anecdotes about men in nightclubs?

No hypothesis has been proven anything, you're rambling.

Why did you show up to this particular forum with this thinkpiece? I know I should probably just ignore this, but I can't help but be a little bit curious.

There are several sources to back up my claims, here are some:
https://www.essex.ac.uk/news/2017/09/28/getting-in-touch-with-our-female-sexuality
More Than Half Of Straight Women Are Attracted To Other Women
Female Sexuality: Straight Women Turned On By Attractive Women Are Either 'Bisexual Or Gay,' Says Study
What Do Women Want? - Discovering What Ignites Female Desire - The New York Times
Universal Desire: Men and Women Respond Identically to Erotic Images - Scientific American

If you know a better place where I can post this research, please let me know.
And the reason I have to find info on youtube and tiktok, is because there is way too little research done on what women really desire.
I read a somewhat informal study was done at a college, they got attractive men and attractive women to ask the opposite gender if they wanted to have sex that evening, 75% of men said 'yes', 0% of women said 'yes'. So how can I find a study where attractive women ask straight women if they want sex the same evening? I googled for maybe an hour, could not find, so I end up finding youtube videos, where women approach women, either ask for dates or just kiss them, complete strangers, and women respond extremely positively. So I wanted to find more scientific research, but was left with doing it myself.

Edited September 7, 2022 by TruthSeeker
typos, more info

[Jedi]

Thank you for a genuine response. I am asking because this is apparently your first post here, and this is specifically an aromantic forum. Sexuality is on discussion regularly, which is why there is a subforum for it, but nothing of what you are saying here has anything to do with aromanticism. Hence my curiosity.

As to the actual point. Of course, most of those are not the studies themselves, but the news articles discussing them. And two of the articles speak of the same doctor, circling back to the same study, or at least going with that particular mans hypothesis. Let me tell you that I am immediately a little skeptical of any man who goes "men are simple but women are a mystery"

Not to say of course, that there is nothing interesting going on here. It does seem to suggest that women are generally more bi than previously expected. Which is interesting. I would personally put straight women being surprisingly interested in other women in the same category as straight men being very focused on dicks. You know, that's kind of curious.

As for the informal casual sex study, that outcome is utterly unsurprising. Regardless of how much those women actually wanted dick, the changes of getting a yes there was always gonna be extremely low. Women generally just have to be way more wary of strangers, more careful around sex. Risks, both social and physical, didn't simply go away in the 60s.

[TruthSeeker]

I have spent 100s of hours looking into this, and I notice you and others who comment, often are hetero-biased. There seems to be this strong conviction both in men and women that both genders are heterosexual. When women don't behave heterosexually like in the informal study, then immediately an explanation is given.
But I have seen videos on youtube that did very similar things, women asking women on dates, and in one of them, all the women said yes.
But are there any evidence that all the women wanted dick, i.e. felt sexually attracted to the handsome men asking them to meet later?
The study did not ask the women why they declined, perhaps they were not interested in the attractive men, perhaps they were not afraid, just not heterosexual enough to want sex outside a relationship. That is one of my main conclusions, that straight women are heterosexually monogamous, and homosexually polygamous.
I don't know if you have noticed, but most of the time when women want 3somes, they want another woman, I often see this in sex-ads, apart from the tv-show I mentioned.
The reason I ended up in this forum, was because I was searching for forums with sexual topics, so I was unaware of the aromantic aspect to this forum. That being said, it would not have been possible for me, or at least highly unlikely, to come to these conclusions if i was chasing women like most guys do. Let me give a real life example.
I attended a self-development group some months ago. One of the excercises was 'dance of the lovers' where people should dance together sensually. I observed that most of the women went to dance erotic dance with another woman, and the men were left standing alone the first 5-10 minutes. When I asked a friend of mine if he had noticed, he said he was too busy figuring out which woman to try and dance with, and finding the courage...

Edited September 7, 2022 by TruthSeeker

[Jedi]

27 minutes ago, TruthSeeker said:

But are there any evidence that all the women wanted dick, i.e. felt sexually attracted to the handsome men asking them to meet later?

No, there is in fact, no evidence at all. That's my point, we don't know why the women declined, and there are so many possible explanations you cannot and should not draw any conclusions about their sexuality from it.

Anyway, I think you've gone astray a little bit. Here you are, on an aromantic forum, trying to argue that women are inherently more attracted to women than men. Listen, I don't know. I am asexual aromantic, I don't want to fuck anybody. And if I was at a self-development group and had to do a sensual dance with a stranger, damn right I'd pick another woman. Not because I more attracted to women. I am more visually interested in men, and I don't want to touch anyone sexually or sensually at all. I'd pick a woman because that feels safer. That's some cultural baggage we have, and much more that is still a problem even passed the 60s. What I mean is, maybe all those women were lesbians, it's possible, but there could also be other factors at play. You are doing a fair deal of conflating sexual interest being there at all with willingness to be sexual with someone before real trust has been established.

You've been putting 100s of hours into this. What are you trying to accomplish? In spite of my initial more hostile response (you have a way of speaking about women like we're a hivemind, and that you've figured us out. Don't do that), I want to ask this with empathy. Where are you hoping this will take you?

[TruthSeeker]

The main problem here is that there has not been enough research into female desire. When women are asked about what their fantasize about, 60% said having sex with a stranger, even though women don't want one night stands, and 89% said having a threesome. In a book I read about women buying sex, which is very rare, the researchers there mentioned that when women become swingers, their main reason for that is to have sex with other women. The name of the book is "Women Who Buy Sex - Converging Sexualities" by Sarah Kingston et al. Another instance was where researchers looking into why straight women would have 3some with another woman, and they had discovered that the motivation was for women to have "lesbian sex" in a heterosexual setting. The owner of a legal brothel in the US, said in an interview that 15% of their clients were couples. So what I am outlining here is the second sexual revolution for women, where women understand where real pleasure lies: in other women.
I have tested many things with women, online one can experiment with things that are not possible in real life. The more I saw how crazy most women are about women, the less it was possible for me to see women as complicated, like most men do.
So where it will take me?

I mostly stay away from women, don't bother them at all, and the older I get, the easier this is. I tend to be interested in things that become big in the future, and I believe the understanding of female-on-female desire is a thing that will reach the masses and shock many men in the future. I am about to finish my research into this subject, since the evidence has been overwhelming. Publishing it on different forums and debating my findings might be the last step, but I don't know that for sure.

Edited September 7, 2022 by TruthSeeker

[Jedi]

Well, I want to say first that what you fantasize about can be wildly different from what you actually want to do irl. So, as far as I am concerned, that says nothing except women have sexual fantasies.

Anyway, have fun with your very scientific tiktok and reality-tv based research into women's sexuality. I'm out. 

[Jeeperz_]

Honestly @TruthSeeker, I think you're looking way too far into it. I'm going to say something that would seem to be in support of your wild point, but I do not in any way agree with you. I am specifically referencing the second bit for my 'supports your wild point'.

Firstly, why do you think it's just women? Apart from a few hormonal differences, the male and female brain have few noticeable difference which would make me question why this theory would only apply to women. The amygdala is not wildly different in men or women. There were a few studies in the early 2000's, but most of those have now either been disproven or shown to have been marginal at best.

Second, biologically, homo sapiens are bisexual. This is solely related to surviving in the wild, as it is for most bisexual mammals. This fact, however, does not mean that all people are inherently bisexual. Humans are highly complex organisms. There are many factors outside of biological wiring that drive us. This is not to say that sexuality is by nurture, there is a large genetic and mild hormonal factor to sexuality. In short, biology alone is not enough of an indicator to be able to dictate someone's sexuality.

Third, please learn how to write in a way that doesn't make me want to cry. It sounds like you ripped half of those lines from a telenovela. It nearly hurts to read.

Fourth, you use far too much anecdotal evidence. Not only did you use a tv show to back you (open house), but most of your sources are articles. If you want to look reputable, use the actual studies. Articles have the potential to exaggerate and skew studies to fit what the writer is trying to say. One of your sources was an article/blog written in the first person. Do I really need to explain why that is not a credible source?

Lastly, why here? And that is a genuine question. What made you post here of all places? What are your biases? You didn't fill out any information in your bio, so I'm just curious what hand you have in this pot.

Lastly-Lastly, screw off man. Even if it was true that most straight women aren't straight, who are you to say? I think that's up to them to say.

Edited September 7, 2022 by Fanz_0__Fire

[aro_elise]

feel like i had a stroke.  couldn't be less relatable.

[Deltalorian]

Considering that in the UK, it was legal for a man to rape his wife as late as 1991, the very first claim is demonstrably false. Great opener.

[Jot-Aro Kujo]

Sir this is a McDonald's

[Jeeperz_]

39 minutes ago, DeltaAro said:

You don't understand. 😉 The important message here is:

No, I was saying that based off of one of the articles they used

14 hours ago, TruthSeeker said:

Female Sexuality: Straight Women Turned On By Attractive Women Are Either 'Bisexual Or Gay,' Says Study

And this part here along with a few other parts.

16 hours ago, TruthSeeker said:

Ask any bisexual woman if there are are straight girls out there, and she would say with smile that there are almost no heterosexual girls out there. Lesbians will tell you that it is much easier to get a straight girl to bed than another lesbian.

I know that their end point is that 'all women lesbian, that bad', but they do seem to be more focused on stating why straight women aren't actually straight but bi or lesbian. Not that it really matters, it's a bad take either way.

[The Gray Warlock]

17 hours ago, TruthSeeker said:

Since the 60’s, women have had the freedom in Western countries to be as free sexually as they wanted to. Religious dogmas did not have any effect on liberated women,

I don't know where you're from, but where I live I see religious doctrines affecting women's romantic and sexual choices every day.

 

 

[A User]

17 hours ago, TruthSeeker said:

Since the 60’s, women have had the freedom in Western countries to be as free sexually as they wanted to. Religious dogmas did not have any effect on liberated women, and contraceptives and abortion made the consequences of sexual freedom almost insignificant.

im pretty sure religion is the birth of the notion of "no sex before marriage" which people do to this day, and not entirely on free will

oh yeah btw not everyone has good sex ed and it's a super stigmatized thing to know what birth control is, and what abortions are

(also, a fun fact: Roe v Wade was overturned in america, basically restricting abortion access in like a lot of US states)

 

other than that i have no idea wtf ur talking about

i tend to interact with women/girls a lot bc im personally very comfi with them, most of them are straight (like a solid 99% of the time i've never heard anyone say they prefer the touch of a woman over a man)

unless im being biased here but i'm led to believe that if you enjoy intercourse with women (as a woman) then you are defo not straight

[DeltaAro]

10 hours ago, Fanz_0__Fire said:

I know that their end point is that 'all women lesbian, that bad', but they do seem to be more focused on stating why straight women aren't actually straight but bi or lesbian. Not that it really matters, it's a bad take either way.

Straight women are straight. This is a logical truth, right?

Your point is based on a feature of self-concepts (like sexual orientation): that "errors" or "lies" are nearly impossible to define. So the idea "most women who claim to be straight are in fact not" becomes self-contradictory.

Self-concepts are simply constructed in this way. That's also why they're either regarded as Orwellian or the butt of jokes by more conservative types.

Of course, the evidence TruthSeeker posted here is very low quality. And to register on an aro forum and instantly post this off-topic stuff: Not good.

But I wonder if the best way to deal with such topics is this barrage of snark and rather general skepticism?

The University of Essex paper you can find here. Or I guess that's it. In the news release the link is broken and the study is not fully cited. Maybe I read it, if I find the time... for now I just skimmed it.

The idea of "erotic plasticity" (resulting in more flexibility to engage in same-gender sexual activities) comes from Roy Baumeister. And also the claim that women have it, while men do not.

He's one of those academics who make wild claims and then prefer to publish them in popular science books. In the past he also misinterpreted genetic research in a very absurd manner to push his theory about (extreme) polygyny in pre-historic humans.

[Nix]

34 minutes ago, DeltaAro said:

But I wonder if the best way to deal with such topics is this barrage of snark and rather general skepticism?

 

Personally, after reading through this whole thread, I find this topic quite interesting. But the reason most people here react with snark and/or skepticism is I think the way the op presented the topic. Not in a ‘hey folks, I’ve done some reading and I was wondering how you guys feel about this topic?’ But it is presented as a fact, with as you said dubious sources. The whole idea of a forum is that you can exchance ideas and experiences and learn from each other. The op does not want to learn, they just want to ‘educate’ us.

48 minutes ago, DeltaAro said:

That's also why they're either regarded as Orwellian or the butt of jokes by more conservative types.

Ah, Emile Ratelband, a fellow Dutchie but unfortunately a very unpleasant person. The way he speaks about homosexuality and Jewish people makes me not feel sorry for him being the butt of jokes. This example of him going to court about changing his legal age because he feels younger could also be a really interesting topic if he wasn’t such a shitty person. 

[nonmerci]

On 9/7/2022 at 2:08 PM, TruthSeeker said:

I notice you and others who comment, often are hetero-biased

I'm just commented to say how funny it is considering that on this forum most of the people are not hetero (most because there are probably heterosexual aromantic person here), so it is very funny how you think we are hetero biaised. We fight hetero views everyday just by existing.

[DeltaAro]

7 hours ago, Nix said:

Personally, after reading through this whole thread, I find this topic quite interesting. But the reason most people here react with snark and/or skepticism is I think the way the op presented the topic. Not in a ‘hey folks, I’ve done some reading and I was wondering how you guys feel about this topic?’ But it is presented as a fact, with as you said dubious sources. The whole idea of a forum is that you can exchance ideas and experiences and learn from each other. The op does not want to learn, they just want to ‘educate’ us.

Yes, but please still have the audience in mind. I'm interested in the concept of steelmanning (which is sadly often confused with concern trolling).

Now my attempt:

It seems the appreciation of the sex appeal and beauty of the genders varied over the different ages and cultures.

The obvious example would be Ancient Roman and Greek culture. It would be absurd to just solely look at these cultures and conclude that biologically and in general all men are bisexual or have strong homosexual desires.

And maybe something similar is going on in this era, but revolves around women. Or rather not "maybe".

Not all European languages go so far but in English "beautiful" is as a word nearly reserved for women. And female bisexuality is, for whatever reason, like in your face portrayed as everything exciting, attractive, hot, ...

I don't mean this in the "oh, it's a fad" sense. It could be rather deeply rooted in modern cultures. TruthSeeker on the other hand makes the claim that fixed biology finally breaks its way after all the cultural shackles have been released.

7 hours ago, Nix said:

Ah, Emile Ratelband, a fellow Dutchie but unfortunately a very unpleasant person. The way he speaks about homosexuality and Jewish people makes me not feel sorry for him being the butt of jokes. This example of him going to court about changing his legal age because he feels younger could also be a really interesting topic if he wasn’t such a shitty person. 

I interpreted his PR stunt as an attempt to ridicule trans people. But if it's him who is the butt of jokes, that's all the better. 😀

Edited September 8, 2022 by DeltaAro

[Nix]

2 hours ago, DeltaAro said:

I interpreted his PR stunt as an attempt to ridicule trans people. But if it's him who is the butt of jokes, that's all the better. 😀

I suspect that was his plan. It certainly got him a lot of attention so he is probably happy anyway. But I remember seeing a ton of memes and articles about it that made fun of him. I found this one again: 

Grim Reaper: Your time here is up. Emile Ratelband: *Lowers age*
Grim Reaper: *Surprised pikachu*

[TruthSeeker]

On 9/8/2022 at 11:05 AM, DeltaAro said:

Straight women are straight. This is a logical truth, right?

Your point is based on a feature of self-concepts (like sexual orientation): that "errors" or "lies" are nearly impossible to define. So the idea "most women who claim to be straight are in fact not" becomes self-contradictory.

Self-concepts are simply constructed in this way. That's also why they're either regarded as Orwellian or the butt of jokes by more conservative types.

Of course, the evidence TruthSeeker posted here is very low quality. And to register on an aro forum and instantly post this off-topic stuff: Not good.

But I wonder if the best way to deal with such topics is this barrage of snark and rather general skepticism?

The University of Essex paper you can find here. Or I guess that's it. In the news release the link is broken and the study is not fully cited. Maybe I read it, if I find the time... for now I just skimmed it.

The idea of "erotic plasticity" (resulting in more flexibility to engage in same-gender sexual activities) comes from Roy Baumeister. And also the claim that women have it, while men do not.

He's one of those academics who make wild claims and then prefer to publish them in popular science books. In the past he also misinterpreted genetic research in a very absurd manner to push his theory about (extreme) polygyny in pre-historic humans.

I wrote this article as an essay, hoping to bring new ideas and understanding, maybe people would start to think new thoughts. That does not mean there is not evidence for most women being homosexual, there is, and I will post links at the end.
One side of the coin is well known, that straight women do not behave straight in a way that straight men do. In the informal study previously mentioned, attractive men and women asked members of the opposite sex if they wanted to have sex that same evening. 75% of men said 'yes' 0% of the women said 'yes'. This would in a way mean that the hypothesis that men and women are heterosexual, were disproven when it comes to women, at least in this experiment. So do the researchers see what happens if attractive women ask women if they want to have sex the same evening? No, they don't. To find any kind of evidence of how straight women react when approached by an attractive woman, one has to look at so-called 'prank videos' on youtube, where women ask women for dates, or even go straight up and kiss them. If a man did the last thing, he would perhaps end up in jail. but since women are more homosexual than straight, they say yes to women asking them on dates, and they enjoy tremendously getting kissed by a strange woman.
I noticed I am repeating myself with some of these arguments, my main reason for bringing these points up, is to show that the topic of female sexuality has not been properly researched, and that is perhaps the main reason why I have not been able to find social studies about the topic of female homosexuality.

I would also like to give an explanation as to why I present my conclusion in this unapologetic way, as they were facts. I have dug so deep into this matter, and one of the things that corroborated it, was my conversations with women on the internet, mostly aged 20-40. I have discussed this topic to such lenght and gotten so much confirmation that it is very difficult for me not to present this as fact. Most women did not push back at all when I gave them my conclusions, some did, but after further dialogue, it seems we often misunderstood each other, but some women are very straight, and that I accept fully. In one incident I chatted with a woman that told me she had no interest in women, only a man could turn her on, "only a man's hands" as she put it. Well, I forgot about that conversation, until recently, 5 months after our initial conversation. She told me that I was right, she had now realized how attracted she were to women, but did not go into details. Another woman told me she got so curious about women after our conversation, that she first picked up a woman when she was out shopping, and ended up kissing her later that day. After that, since she did not want to pursue any kind of relationship, it was just sexual, she booked an appointment at a local erotic massage parlour, to get a massage from another woman.
Any woman reading this, or any guy that has a scientific minded and curious girlfriend, could easily test for themselves if most women are homosexual or not.

Here are some studies/articles about studies that show women are bisexual in the least, and most probably more homosexual than heterosexual:

https://academic.oup.com/scan/article/15/4/447/5838126?login=false
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/universal-desire-men-and-women-respond-identically-to-erotic-images/
https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/men-not-more-visual-or-easily-aroused-than-women-research-shows
https://www.scarymommy.com/straight-women-attracted-women

 

Edited September 9, 2022 by TruthSeeker

[Jeeperz_]

23 hours ago, TruthSeeker said:

as they were facts

But they aren't though. Who are you to say how straight women act? There is a difference between finding something attractive and legitimately wanting to be in a romantic or sexual relationship with someone of the same sex.

Also, you are still using articles instead of studies (see my last post) and that stupid first person blog is still part of your 'resources' (again, see above). Also, you have still failed to explain why this only applies to women (see above). Your claims are misguided at best and downright purposefully false at the worst. 

[TruthSeeker]

2 hours ago, Fanz_0__Fire said:

But they aren't though. Who are you to say how straight women act? There is a difference between finding something attractive and legitimately wanting to be in a romantic or sexual relationship with someone of the same sex.

Also, you are still using articles instead of studies (see my last post) and that stupid first person blog is still part of your 'resources' (again, see above). Also, you have still failed to explain why this only applies to women (see above). Your claims are misguided at best and downright purposefully false at the worst. 

Here are direct links to scientific studies that show female homosexuality. The second one looks at parts of the brain associated with sexual arousal, and in some of them women respond more heterosexually, in some equal, and in others more homosexually, i.e. orientation inconsistent vs orientation consistent.
How it applies to women? When the New York Times article writes about a study that shows women are more sexually aroused when looking at women compared to looking at men, that at least indicates that women are more homosexual than heterosexual. For men this fact is very difficult to accept, that all their struggle to get women, saying the right thing, hiding their true intentions, paying for meal, making promises they may or may not keep, all to be able to have some fun once in a while, if they get lucky, is something a more or less attractive woman can accomplish without even trying. Like the example with Norah Vincent that went on dates with 30 women and they only became interested in her when she revealed she was a women, not a man. My claims are based on facts, on actual research that you can read in the links i provide once again in this post. One can see clearly than many parts of women's brain react stronger to sexual stimuli that is against their sexual orientation, sexual stimuli that show they are homosexual. Women are often quite open about how much they enjoy women, writing on forums and blogs that the best sex they ever had was with a woman, that women are the best kissers, that they prefer lesbian porn, which is number one watched category for women, but number 6 most watched for men. Then there are comments from lesbian that it is easier to get a straight woman to bed than another lesbian.

In the New York Times article I linked to, they interveiew Meredith Chivers, a psychology professor at Queens University.
Here is an excerpt from the interview with the professor:
"They responded objectively much more to the exercising woman than to the strolling man, and their blood flow rose quickly — and markedly, though to a lesser degree than during all the human scenes except the footage of the ambling, strapping man — as they watched the apes. And with the women, especially the straight women, mind and genitals seemed scarcely to belong to the same person. The readings from the plethysmograph and the keypad weren’t in much accord. During shots of lesbian coupling, heterosexual women reported less excitement than their vaginas indicated; watching gay men, they reported a great deal less; and viewing heterosexual intercourse, they reported much more."
So women down-play their sexual excitement when they watch homosexual content, and exaggerate their excitement when they watch heterosexual content.
So one can draw a conclusion that women prefer to give the impresson to be more heterosexual than they really are, and less homosexual than they really are. This of course makes sense since women benefit from men chasing them, it gives them a large variety of potential partners to choose from. If men knew women were less likely to reject them if they were a woman, who knows how the dynamics between the genders would be.

When you ask: "Why it only applies to women?" The reason for that is that straight men are actually straight, when they are shown men having sex with men, they do not get aroused, but when women are shown women having sex with women, they get very aroused.

And about wanting to be in a sexual relationship with someone, that is something lesbian women want, not straight women. Straight women only want to have sex with other women, they don't want to be in a sexual relationship with them. If you know any lesbians, you could ask them about this, since I have read comments from lesbians that straight women are only after sex and nothing else, which makes lesbian women apprehensive of straight women taking advantage of them.

I would also like to mention, that in the human psyche, it seems to be more acceptable for women to be homosexually polygamous than heterosexually polygamous. Women sleeping around with men are looked down upon, even shamed, but women sleeping around with women are almost admired, looked up to, some kind of mystique surrounding them.

My purpose is to reveal to men and women that women's sexuality is not what people imagine it is.
 

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1904975116
https://academic.oup.com/scan/article/15/4/447/5838126?login=false
 

 

Edited September 10, 2022 by TruthSeeker

[Jeeperz_]

23 minutes ago, TruthSeeker said:

My purpose is to reveal to men and women that women's sexuality is not what people imagine it is.

You obviously did not read my first post. If you did, you would see my argument for why if this were true it would also apply to men. You obviously also did not understand what I was saying about a sexual relationship. I was pointing out that a woman can still be straight and find women sexually attractive. There is a difference between getting your rocks off and wanting a relationship.

The key issue to this argument is your hyper focus on biology. Again, I would suggest you read the first post I had on this topic. All humans male and female are biologically bisexual. This does not mean that all humans want to be in relationships with both men and women or identify as bisexual. There is so much more that goes into sexual orientation that just what makes someone aroused.

[TruthSeeker]

18 minutes ago, Fanz_0__Fire said:

You obviously did not read my first post. If you did, you would see my argument for why if this were true it would also apply to men. You obviously also did not understand what I was saying about a sexual relationship. I was pointing out that a woman can still be straight and find women sexually attractive. There is a difference between getting your rocks off and wanting a relationship.

The key issue to this argument is your hyper focus on biology. Again, I would suggest you read the first post I had on this topic. All humans male and female are biologically bisexual. This does not mean that all humans want to be in relationships with both men and women or identify as bisexual. There is so much more that goes into sexual orientation that just what makes someone aroused.

Please indulge me and post research/evidence that straight men are bisexual, since I have posted evidence that straight women are bisexual.
I've never said all humans want to be in relationships with both genders. Straight women want to be in relationships with men, straight men want to be in relationships with women. But when it comes to sexual encounters, 89% of women fantasize about 3somes, and it is mostly with another woman judging from ads from couples, and prostitutes mentioning they often/sometimes get couples as clients.
I must admit on a personal note, being a straight guy, and knowing many straight guys, that we don't even like to touch each other, whereas women seem to want to touch each other all the time, so I find your hypothesis a bit implausible.

Edited September 10, 2022 by TruthSeeker