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14 minutes ago, TruthSeeker said:

Please indulge me and post research/evidence that straight men are bisexual,

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447861/

Also, I am not saying straight men are bisexual. I am saying that all humans are inherently bisexual by nature. It is something observed in nature often and seems to be more than applicable to humans as well.

https://pep-web.org/search/document/SGS.002.0179A

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0003065119827043

The second one might be a bit confusing, but it basically argues that there is a part of every person that is bisexual but due to several factors many people never act on it. And as for being a straight guy and not wanting to touch other straight guys, that seems to be mostly a you thing. There are a hellva lot of guys that do a lot more than touching and are still straight (at least 60 percent according to the first study). What is your point though? As a straight guy, what do you care if some straight women sleep with other women? Why do you care?

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11 minutes ago, Fanz_0__Fire said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447861/

Also, I am not saying straight men are bisexual. I am saying that all humans are inherently bisexual by nature. It is something observed in nature often and seems to be more than applicable to humans as well.

https://pep-web.org/search/document/SGS.002.0179A

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0003065119827043

The second one might be a bit confusing, but it basically argues that there is a part of every person that is bisexual but due to several factors many people never act on it. And as for being a straight guy and not wanting to touch other straight guys, that seems to be mostly a you thing. There are a hellva lot of guys that do a lot more than touching and are still straight (at least 60 percent according to the first study). What is your point though? As a straight guy, what do you care if some straight women sleep with other women? Why do you care?

The type of study I posted posted and was talking about, had to do with straight men's and straight women's sexual response to their own gender. The studies I posted, show that straight women have strong sexual response to their own gender, and similar studies (I did not save the links) show that straight men does not have a sexual response to seeing other men, even in a sexual context. Your ncbi-link shows that 60% of men have a homsexual experience in their life-time, I have no problem with accepting that. But there is a big difference here between the genders; men go chasing women, men pay for women's company, men put a lot of time, money and effort into getting a relationship, sex or marriage, and men fantasize about women, go to strip clubs where women take off their clothes, and spend lots of money just for a little interaction with a stripper. Men spend thousands of dollars on camshows, onlyfans and getting women from Thailand to marry since they struggle to find a native woman they are good enough for. My point being that a homosexual experience for an adolescent, does not define his sexuality later on in life. When asked about fantasies, women often mention 3somes, sex with another woman as their fantasies. A woman is more likely to go to bed with a bisexual woman or a lesbian hitting on her, than a straight guy, but a bisexual or gay guy hitting on a straight guy, is likely to get a punch in the face or at least an emphatic 'no'.

Why I care? Well, first of all, I'm jealous of how easy it is for women to get women to bed, they don't have to make any effort, lesbians and bisexual women can attest to this, I've asked 5-6 bisexual women about this myself, and they all said it is the easiest thing in the world for them to get straight women to bed. Also, it means I have to spend a lot of money to get what I want, if I was a woman, I could get women to bed without spending so much money.

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7 minutes ago, TruthSeeker said:

Why I care? Well, first of all, I'm jealous of how easy it is for women to get women to bed, they don't have to make any effort, lesbians and bisexual women can attest to this, I've asked 5-6 bisexual women about this myself, and they all said it is the easiest thing in the world for them to get straight women to bed. Also, it means I have to spend a lot of money to get what I want, if I was a woman, I could get women to bed without spending so much money.

This will be the last time I am responding to you because you are unwilling to learn. There is a lot more to sexuality than attraction. So many factors go in to what attractions people act on and how they choose to identify. Since you refuse to read my first comment, here it is:

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Firstly, why do you think it's just women? Apart from a few hormonal differences, the male and female brain have few noticeable difference which would make me question why this theory would only apply to women. The amygdala is not wildly different in men or women. There were a few studies in the early 2000's, but most of those have now either been disproven or shown to have been marginal at best.

Second, biologically, homo sapiens are bisexual. This is solely related to surviving in the wild, as it is for most bisexual mammals. This fact, however, does not mean that all people are inherently bisexual. Humans are highly complex organisms. There are many factors outside of biological wiring that drive us. This is not to say that sexuality is by nurture, there is a large genetic and mild hormonal factor to sexuality. In short, biology alone is not enough of an indicator to be able to dictate someone's sexuality.

Third, please learn how to write in a way that doesn't make me want to cry. It sounds like you ripped half of those lines from a telenovela. It nearly hurts to read.

Fourth, you use far too much anecdotal evidence. Not only did you use a tv show to back you (open house), but most of your sources are articles. If you want to look reputable, use the actual studies. Articles have the potential to exaggerate and skew studies to fit what the writer is trying to say. One of your sources was an article/blog written in the first person. Do I really need to explain why that is not a credible source?

Lastly, why here? And that is a genuine question. What made you post here of all places? What are your biases? You didn't fill out any information in your bio, so I'm just curious what hand you have in this pot.

It is clear that you are just some incel that lost his way trying to get to a woman hating forum. Try to back your ridiculous claim with whatever you want, the science is not on your side. You have a great deal of confirmation bias and have clearly gone out looking for things you wanted to hear rather than researching the legitimate science behind sexuality. Please just take a writing course and do a little research on what parts of brain and hormonal functions control sexual arousal. Jesus christ

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7 minutes ago, Fanz_0__Fire said:

This will be the last time I am responding to you because you are unwilling to learn. There is a lot more to sexuality than attraction. So many factors go in to what attractions people act on and how they choose to identify. Since you refuse to read my first comment, here it is:

It is clear that you are just some incel that lost his way trying to get to a woman hating forum. Try to back your ridiculous claim with whatever you want, the science is not on your side. You have a great deal of confirmation bias and have clearly gone out looking for things you wanted to hear rather than researching the legitimate science behind sexuality. Please just take a writing course and do a little research on what parts of brain and hormonal functions control sexual arousal. Jesus christ

Well, if studies of how the brain reacts and how genitals react to sexual stimuli is not evidence enough, then perhaps you should start asking bisexual women or lesbians, and see if they can confirm my findings. Just to ignore something based on your own thoughts and feelings is an immature approach to any subject.
I noticed you define yourself as a 'trans male' does that mean you could pass as a woman? If so, you could check for yourself how easy it is to seduce women for a woman, if not, you would notice how men have to struggle to get anywhere with them.

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On 9/7/2022 at 8:50 PM, Fanz_0__Fire said:

Firstly, why do you think it's just women? Apart from a few hormonal differences, the male and female brain have few noticeable difference which would make me question why this theory would only apply to women. The amygdala is not wildly different in men or women. There were a few studies in the early 2000's, but most of those have now either been disproven or shown to have been marginal at best.

The notion of "brain gender" looks to have been quite effectively debunked

On 9/7/2022 at 8:50 PM, Fanz_0__Fire said:

Lastly, why here? And that is a genuine question. What made you post here of all places? What are your biases? You didn't fill out any information in your bio, so I'm just curious what hand you have in this pot.

Exactly, the post appears to have very little to do with romance. Which kind of ironic since the phrase "What women really want" has been used to sell the notion that (heterosexual) women should be hyper-romantic.

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1 hour ago, Mark said:

The notion of "brain gender" looks to have been quite effectively debunked

Exactly, the post appears to have very little to do with romance. Which kind of ironic since the phrase "What women really want" has been used to sell the notion that (heterosexual) women should be hyper-romantic.

The point about brain gender being debunked is exactly in line with the studies I posted links to. It is not possible to distinguish male from female brains when showing erotic material, meaning that men's and women's brains are aroused by the same stimuli. What is interesting is the study that looks at if the female brain is more aroused by heterosexual stimuli compared to homosexual stimuli, where it is found that the female brain is often more aroused by homosexual stimuli compared to heterosexual stimuli, depending on which area of the brain relating to sexual arousal is researched. People tend to use the word 'debunked' way too easily.

The fact that women are homosexuals, I would say, should more be used to "sell the notion" that women are hypersexualized towards women.  That women seek women for 3somes, that women watch more and more porn and prefer lesbian porn according to phub, that 10% of customers on onlyfans now are women, that 60% of women reveal they desire their own gender, 45% of women have kissed their own gender, that according to different research/studies 25-60% of women have had sexual interactions with their own gender, that more and more women pay for sexual pleasure from women through yoni-massages, that lesbians reveal that straight women are constantly hitting on them, and so on. 
What women need to desire men, is romance. It is the feeling of being loved and wanted, protected and cared for, that enables homosexual women to finally let their guard down and be overcome with emotions that ignites some level of desire, enough for them to go through with heterosexual intimacy. With women things are more natural and instant. I find it quite peculiar that men are the ones defending female heterosexuality here....

Allow me to bring in a new element, Skirt-clubs. Clubs that are in 25 cities all over the world, where 'straight' women go to have sex with other women. When women meet women, they just go for it, no asking 1001 questons about income and personality then, they just go for it, like men would with women, if they could.
https://www.autostraddle.com/lesbian-sex-parties-for-straight-women-388554/

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apologies to everyone for not getting onto this topic sooner, that is on me and i should have done better.

Firstly, rule d in the forum rules, sexually explicit material. we have this rule for a reason. this topic should have clearly noted that the topic was going to be so explicitly sexual in nature. its rule d in the terms of service. @TruthSeeker this is a warning, and if you are going to make any future topics abide by this rule.

' we request that posts which contain sexually explicit material contain a warning in the subject line. Please refrain from using sexually explicit subject lines.'

Secondly, this is beginning to get heated, commenting on other users gender identity, for example, is discouraged. please refrain from doing that.

I will allow the conversation to continue again for now

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On 9/9/2022 at 4:18 PM, TruthSeeker said:

Doesn't this study contradict your claims? Why post it as evidence, twice?

On 9/10/2022 at 6:39 PM, TruthSeeker said:

Why I care? Well, first of all, I'm jealous of how easy it is for women to get women to bed

If you want to be envious of women "because they have more dating options," then please go ahead. But no problem is solved by convincing other people of your perspective.

I kind of feel this is an attempt to construct an argument against feminism. But this is an aro board. Not /r/AskFeminists. Two different things, seriously!

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On 9/10/2022 at 5:39 PM, TruthSeeker said:

What women need to desire men, is romance. It is the feeling of being loved and wanted, protected and cared for, that enables homosexual women to finally let their guard down and be overcome with emotions that ignites some level of desire, enough for them to go through with heterosexual intimacy. With women things are more natural and instant. I find it quite peculiar that men are the ones defending female heterosexuality here....

Not sure why on Earth you posted something saying that what heterosexual women "need" is romance... on an aro forum

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