Confirmed Bachelor Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Great read https://markmanson.net/romantic-love?utm_campaign=mmnet-newsletter-2017-08-18-b&utm_medium=email&utm_source=mmnet-newsletter&utm_content=read-a-brief-history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apathetic Echidna Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 This was a great read. no false advertising in your post. The whole idea of parents choosing partners because they had somewhat objective views on potential suiters was still embraced somewhat in the early-mid 20th century. Apparently it was a thing for a girl to bring a parent on her first date, or have the first date at home so parents could pass judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamwiseLovesLife Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, Apathetic Echidna said: This was a great read. no false advertising in your post. The whole idea of parents choosing partners because they had somewhat objective views on potential suiters was still embraced somewhat in the early-mid 20th century. Apparently it was a thing for a girl to bring a parent on her first date, or have the first date at home so parents could pass judgement. Sounds odd but logical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apathetic Echidna Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, SamwiseLovesLife said: Sounds odd but logical? I watched for fun a show about vintage vs modern advice, specifically the dating episode. I found it hilariously ridiculous. But the girl following the vintage advice found it made so much sense as she had in the past dated someone for 3 weeks who had shown up to their first date drunk and was a horrible person, and said if her mother was there that wouldn't have happened. I was shocked that she would need her mother there to tell her that! If you are interested it is the drunk tinder date clip http://iview.abc.net.au/collection/growing-up-gracefully (which is from episode 2) I don't know how the link will work for a non-Australian IP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I rather question their fifth and sixth "facts". The concept of "brotherly love" is known as "philia" in Classical Greek Which is not at all specific to the works of Plato. I'm very skeptical of the idea that Plato or anyone else in Classical Europe, (West) Asia or (North) Africa would have had made much mention of "romantic love". It's far from clear how you would even describe it in Classical Greek, except possibly as some form of mental illness. What Plato actually described was a form of homoerotic love. The redefinition of it meaning "non sexual/erotic" happened around the same time that "courtly love" become linked to "erotic love" and transitioned into our modern idea of "romantic love". Outside of highly amantonormative societies it seems likely that only a fairly small proportion of people would seek romance at all. With there being no historical example of such a society. Thus I question the idea that societies prior to the 20th century actually did much to curb romance, except possibly on the rare occasion it did actually present a serious problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breaddd Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Ahaha this was a funny article though. I like the fourth fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaAro Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 7 hours ago, Mark said: What Plato actually described was a form of homoerotic love. Well, what he wrote in different works is not the same. In Phaedrus, Plato is the most prudish, but even there we don't come anywhere near the modern conception of platonic love. I don't think that the conception of love described there can be easily classified, it seems sui generis. The relationship is infused with sexual tension which is mostly held in check. Though sensual acts are a normal part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confirmed Bachelor Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 14 hours ago, Mark said: I rather question their fifth and sixth "facts". The concept of "brotherly love" is known as "philia" in Classical Greek Which is not at all specific to the works of Plato. I'm very skeptical of the idea that Plato or anyone else in Classical Europe, (West) Asia or (North) Africa would have had made much mention of "romantic love". It's far from clear how you would even describe it in Classical Greek, except possibly as some form of mental illness. What Plato actually described was a form of homoerotic love. The redefinition of it meaning "non sexual/erotic" happened around the same time that "courtly love" become linked to "erotic love" and transitioned into our modern idea of "romantic love". Outside of highly amantonormative societies it seems likely that only a fairly small proportion of people would seek romance at all. With there being no historical example of such a society. Thus I question the idea that societies prior to the 20th century actually did much to curb romance, except possibly on the rare occasion it did actually present a serious problem. Whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cute kitty Meow! Mewo! Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 funny and enjoyable read biased tho agreed that romantic love is overplayed and dangerous. but, the guy's pretty negative about it. dunno enough about anything to form any constructive criticisms tho. so, funny, and enjoyable to read. with a purpose that generates thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j a c k Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Aw man that was a great read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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