Alternative demi flag finds bc the current designs are problematic

[TripleA]

I made a post on the LGBT+ amino as to why the demi flags are problematic here

 

Here is a Wikipedia page about the black triangle and how it was used in the holocaust against lesbians

 

I found these great flag alternatives on Tumblr which I'd encourage people to use instead.

 

My favourite ones are the ones by @ cockyroaches 

 

@cockyroaches ' alternatives for Demiromantic, Demisexual and Demisexual & Demiromantic

@crimsxnflxwerz 's alternatives for Demiromantic and Demisexual 

 

[Coyote]

I'm sure this is well-intentioned, but at this point I'm pretty tired of flag redesigns. Especially on grounds like these.

 

1 hour ago, TripleA said:

Here is a Wikipedia page about the black triangle and how it was used in the holocaust against lesbians

 

Here's what that Wikipedia page says about it:

• "The black triangle was a badge used in Nazi concentration camps to mark prisoners regarded 'anti-social' and 'arbeitsscheu' (work-shy). Those considered anti-social included alcoholics, homeless, beggars, nomads, and prostitutes. Women deemed to be anti-social included prostitution, nonconformists, and lesbians."

So "against lesbians" is accurate but also a pretty big oversimplification.

 

It's also.... not even oriented the same way. It's just a triangle. That's just a basic design element. It's not like it's something as distinct as a swastika or a symbol of Venus.

 

Anyway, I think it's important for the aro community to be aware that people have been attacking aces' use of triangles since at least 2011. This is kind of criticism is nothing new.

[TripleA]

13 hours ago, Coyote said:

I'm sure this is well-intentioned, but at this point I'm pretty tired of flag redesigns. Especially on grounds like these.

 

 

Here's what that Wikipedia page says about it:

• "The black triangle was a badge used in Nazi concentration camps to mark prisoners regarded 'anti-social' and 'arbeitsscheu' (work-shy). Those considered anti-social included alcoholics, homeless, beggars, nomads, and prostitutes. Women deemed to be anti-social included prostitution, nonconformists, and lesbians."

So "against lesbians" is accurate but also a pretty big oversimplification.

 

It's also.... not even oriented the same way. It's just a triangle. That's just a basic design element. It's not like it's something as distinct as a swastika or a symbol of Venus.

 

Anyway, I think it's important for the aro community to be aware that people have been attacking aces' use of triangles since at least 2011. This is kind of criticism is nothing new.

It's a valid criticism imo. 

[Neir]

I'll pop in just to say that if we are attacking a-spec flags with black triangles on the basis of Nazi imagery, we should also be attacking the flags of the following nations for having Nazi symbolism: The Bahamas (black triangle), South Africa (black triangle), Jamaica (two black triangles).

 

The fact that people are not complaining about triangle imagery on nation flags (or even in the Queer Chevron, whose design contains downward-facing triangles, closer in design to Nazi imagery; or even in the Lesbian Labrys flag which literally has a downward-facing black triangle), but only on a-spec flags, is telling. Again, like Coyote said, this criticism is nothing new and unfortunately not something that really holds up. Queer and LGBTQ+ groups fly the triangle demi flags and some queer/LGBTQ+ people have even reclaimed the downward-facing triangle imagery entirely. Suppressing these things is not the answer, never has been, and never will be. It has always been an attempt to mask exclusion and violence with false accusations of appropriation.