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    Myers Briggs

    in Off Topic

    Posted

    I don't actually know if any online quiz is "the real one"TM. I've taken both MBTI, NEO-PI-R and the NEO-FFI (along with lots of other tests), while I was still studying psychology. We had test theory lessons and as a way to learn how to properly analyse and interpret a test, we usually filled them out ourselves. The 16personality site might just be the real one, I wouldn't know, as I don't remember all the items (should be close to 100). I've seen version, that are way to short, though. 

     

    Yadda yadda =D

    Spoiler

    These are good points and you're right. 

     

    The (real) MBTI as well as all personality tests compare your scores with the mean of a huge group of people, divided into subgroups. To interpret them, you usually have to give your country of origin, age and gender (among others, depending on the questionnaire), so you can be compared to your appropriate comparison group (f.exp. there are huge cultural differences, as well as birth order differences). These test are tools though, meant to help further studies or identify tendencies (and tendencies only) of personality or mental disorder. They are not meant to be used or seen as detached things that have value on their own. 

     

    These aren't just blindly used on everybody either. For one thing, the practicing physician/counselor/psychiatrist has to see any benefit in applying the test to a specific person.If it seems helpful in treatment or counseling or whatever it was used for, the interviewer has to interpret it. Just like you said, a high score on introversion says nothing about the "why". A human has to find that out on their own and act accordingly. That's also why there is no personality test that JUST measures Introversion-Extroversion. All factors/categories of the test matter. That's why online tests are practically "self diagnoses" and carry little meaning on their own.It's like measuring your own pulse or checking if you have a fever. Sure, you have some data now and are probably able to make an educated guess, but you'll need a doctor to diagnose the cause.

    One personality test shouldn't stand on it's own either. If, for example, somebody has a way higher than average score on the Big five conscientiousness factor, this might indicate but not prove a form of OCD. The person has to actually take a test measuring pathological behavior to justify a diagnose, assumed that the test interviewer even deems it necessary depending on the person their dealing with and their goals. On the flip side, if you are already diagnosed with bipolar disorder or at the very least suspected to have it, there's little reason or merit in applying a broad personality test

     

    All questions in the Big Five were tested a lot down to every single word used. And there's more than one item for each category/factor. Ever noticed that psychology test are sometimes seemingly needlessly repetitive? There's a reason for that, because on average, people tend to widely differ in the answers they give, depending on how a question is asked, rather than their eminent meaning. That's why there are a lot of the same questions, phrased differently. There are also questions, meant to filter bias or social acceptance for certain types of answers. There's a whole field that only test's tests on their validity (aka testing if the items on the questionnaire really measure, what they are supposed to) called Test Theory and it's  mind boggling and involves lots of test subjects testing test items xD  They usually specialize in making the test as inclusive and bias free as they humanly can (on average).

     

    There are tons of studies involving the Big Five model, that want to add nuance/sub-categories, too. That's the real beauty of it. It helps us to further understand what makes people tick and find ways, to treat them accordingly. Remember the birth order thing I mentioned above? Turns out it has a significant impact on your Big-5 results, weather your a middle child or a first born or single. The more we learn, the more we can adapt our tests and the more inclusive we can be. I'd personally love to see the big five studied with non-binaries. (The R in NEO-PI-R, for example, stands for "revised". Another reason why I wouldn't trust the MBTI, it hasn't been updated in forever.)

     

    TLDR;; Test theory is a fascinating field full of people who try hard to come up with good ways to understand and interpret the human psyche. It however, focuses on averages in pre-determined subgroups and is completely meaningless on it's own. It's a tool, not an end result. It needs a human interpreter and follow up test to gain any merit and even then, it can still be wrong. No test is perfect and all inclusive, that's why we need humans to interpret it on the individual level and researchers to improve them =) 

     

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    Myers Briggs

    in Off Topic

    Posted

    The real MBTI is a loooong test, with questions scaling on a continuum and you can leave neutral answers if nothing really fits. Lot's of the free ones online are abbreviations or incomplete. There's also been a rise of different "versions" due to it's popularity, which I find baffling, seeing as there's only one real and complete version out there. 

     

    Boring yadda yadda? 

    Spoiler

    That being said, the MBTI is far from being a good test. For one thing. it lacks validity, aka nobody is really sure if it really measures what it's supposed to measure (some critics even say it's just fortune telling in questionnaire form). Only the Introvert-Extrovert scale seems to have real value. For another, it does not filter out lying or "giving socially accepted answers", so you just have to believe that everyone is telling the truth (consciously and subconsciously). There's also people who question the objectivity of the institute that makes money with it's implementation.

     

    As far as personality test's go, the Big 5 model (measured by the NEO-PI-R and it's smaller brother the NEO-FFI) is way more reliable, studied and widely used. It doesn't give you fun acronyms though and as far as I know you can't just take the full test anywhere online (it's freakishly long as well). 

     

    The MBTI is fun though. As long as professionals use it wisely (and acknowledge it's flaws), I have no qualms with it, but yeah, it's results are to be taken with a spoon full of salt.

     

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    Myers Briggs

    in Off Topic

    Posted

    INTP here =D 

     

    6 hours ago, Louis Hypo said:

    When I was reading about being INTP there was a section on love and relationships and I thought `ha no thanks!`

    There's a section about that on everyones profil ^^ 

     

    I recommend this page to read up on your profil. It's webdesign might be an abomination but the text is super insightful and way more nuanced =D 

    It also divides social in relationships in general, lovers, family and friends. 
     

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    Identity Symbols

    in Aromantic Pride and Culture

    Posted

    7 minutes ago, Cassiopeia said:

    Yes, as I wrote, there are two lesbian flags. One with the pink gradients, and one with the purple background, the black triangle and the labrys.

     I forgot to write that I couldn't open the link. Sorry.

     

    18 minutes ago, Swablu said:

    thought diamond was for the spectrum (so demi, grey, lith, etc) and clubs was for questioning?  

    Now I'm questioning O.o

     

    Your right! I looked it up. That's what I get for citing from memory instead of googling for 5 seconds. 

    Identity Symbols

    in Aromantic Pride and Culture

    Posted

    @Cassiopeia
    I'm a bit concerned about the black triangle due to.. well... reasons... How important a symbol is it? It's included in the pride flags, but I remember that there's a lesbian flag version with stripes and gradients, like most of them.

    @Louis Hypo Since the orientation of sexual aro's vary, I'd rather not include "sex symbols" in general (which shouldn't be a phallus anyway xD). I'm probably more prone to make "one identity per Shirt" Designs anyway.

     

    If I remember right, the cards were: 

    - Spades - Aro 

    - Heart - Romantic Ace

    - Diamond - Demi 

    - Clubs - Gray

     

    I don't know who coined them. I know they are meant for Aces, but I wonder if they can be used outside of this context. Would you say a spade/club or diamond could be used by non-aces? 

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    Identity Symbols

    in Aromantic Pride and Culture

    Posted

    So, I've been thinking about designing some covert Pride T-Shirts. It's still an underdeveloped idea in my head and I'm not sure when and if I'll get around to it, but the big idea behind it is this:

     

    Not everyone is comfortable with walking around in an obvious "No Romo"-Shirt, but there are Colours and Symbols (like the arrow for aros or the rainbow for gay/queer), that are usually recognized by people, who know what to look for.

    Symbols are a powerful thing after all. Specially when it comes to visibility. Maybe we can even coin some new ones =D 

     

    I wanted to take that opportunity and ask all of you what kind of symbols you associate with your identities. This is not limited to Aros only, but to all gender, sexual and romantic labels you identify with! The more the better. You can even share some personal symbols, are stuff you might think would be cool/fitting.

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    Corrupt a Wish

    in Aro-cade

    Posted

    You can, but every time you learn a new skill you forget something else, because the brains memory space isn't infinite. Soon you'll have no memories of yourself and your life. You just perform your acquired skills like a robot. 

     

    I wish I could make my days 48h long, instead of 24h whenever I need it. 

     

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    Parents and Family

    in Aromantic Relationships

    Posted

    I probably won't come out to my parents ever, if I can help it. I thing they will be much happier not knowing. 

    My mother is a decorator by trait since my brother and I moved out and her favorite thing to decorate are weddings. She doesn't care who marries whom at all, she routinely decorates gay weddings (or rather our equivalent to them). As long as they have a wedding ceremony, she's in. She also loves and adores children. She wants to be a grandmother so badly. While I still lived at home, one of her odd jobs was taking care of a little girl while her single mother went to work. 

    I have the fortune of having a brother, who's been in a steady relationship since forever and who'll probably have kids and get married, so he kind off covers her wishes already  (though he actually really wants to be an uncle, too...). But I'd still really much like to refrain from having to explain aromanticism to anyone so intrinsically romantic... She doesn't really listen to other weird shit I do or chose for my life so I highly doubt the conversation would be pleasant. She'd probably cry and get angry...

     

    Well, I at least put the idea of me ever having baby's out of her head years ago, since I was very vocal about my discomfort of children as long as I can remember. That's enough for me! Funny enough, my former neighbors and friends of the family are way more prying, going from "do you have a boyfriend" to "a girlfriend then!" whenever I visit. I really like the guys, but damn I wish they'd just shut up. 

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    How are You a 'Bad' Aromantic Spectrum Person?

    in Aromantic Discussion

    Posted

    This is such a cool topic! Look at us being individuals =D 

     

    Here I go: 

    1) I never dated or got in a relationship because hetero- and amatonormativity never bothered me until I was directly and heavily pressured, so I never felt broken for most of my life (I would get asked out, but I usually declined, because I had no feelings or interest in them). I have been labled "cold", but it didn't bother me

     

    2) What even is a squish? I have intense friendships (two of them, with whom I'd definitely NOT want to share a life), but never in my life did I have a squish

     

    3) Regardless of 2) I still intensely desire a relationship with someone and I can get very jealous of alloromantic's exclusive right to have "someone for themselves" (not in the possessive jealous way, but in the "sharing the burden of life together/there for each other" way). I have deep rooted fears of growing old alone, abandoned by my friends because they moved on to have families and children. It sometimes keeps me up at night...

     

    4) As soon as I found the word "aromantic" to clear up my confusion, I immediately began to use it openly. I had no qualms about it and I never considered being closet. Most people (apart from my family) know about it and I'm very happy with that.

     

    5) No probs with Valentines Day or couples, as long as they aren't being generally rude or obnoxious/really in the way, but that's more a generall people thing xD

     

    6) I don't mind/actually like physical closeness 

     

    7) Not sure if this makes me a bad aro, but I'm currently virtually indistinguishable with an ace, yet I don't identify as one, because the label feels very wrong to me. Which results in me being a very gray and confusing aro allo D:" I kind off put "figuring it out" on hold and I tend to exclude my sexual identity altogether from discussions.. Still, I get mad at people who call me "Ace", because it just sounds so very wrong to me. It also feels like I'd really be a bad example for aces, so I'd rather not xD" 

     

     

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    Sexual attraction as felt by aros

    in Sexuality and Gender

    Posted

    Since all of the rare people I find sexually attractive are also aesthetically attractive to me, I'll probably try and draw them, which means I can appreciate them in peace, without seeming creepy (I try to draw people a lot when I commute as practice). Just like Cas though, I don't feel any impulse to act upon my attraction at all. I've never pictured myself having sex with a person I know personally either. For me, too, it's fantasy people. 

     

    As a gray, I won't try to act upon any sexual attraction until I know and actually like the person. And there are a lot of personality things, that'll have the sexual attraction fade away in an instant. If they might fall for me, for example or if they already are in a relationship that's not openly poly. If the person drops no hints of desiring me or sex in general and if we are already platonic friends (even more so if we share the same circle of friends). That does narrow it down a lot! Which is why I said in the other thread, that I am celibate. As a grey, this is no big deal for me though. I have a sex drive, but it's not strong at all and rather easy to ignore.  

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    Talk About Your Squish

    in Off Topic

    Posted

    I kind off have a squish/best friend of.. I think almost 14 years now? I met her online when I was barely a teen. We've always chatted almost daily since then. I even had the honor of being her best mate at her wedding and I'm absolutely in tune with her husband, too. He's so fun to be around, I love the guy! =D 

    Since way back, I always considered her to be my most important thing in the world, though I knew from very early on, that I meant that in a platonic way. This was way before I knew what being aro means, it was just the most natural thing for me to feel, so I never connected the dots. 

     

    That being said I don't consider us to be QPP material at all, we probably wouldn't room well xD I have not desire to be together with her in that way, I just like to help her be happy, because she means so much to me. But recently she started ignoring me in favor of another friend of hers, going so far as to completely shut me out for a few days. We're good now, but I felt so hurt at the time, I could barely function. It really hammered home how much platonic relationships affect you and how "just friends" is the most bullshit saying I've ever come across. 

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