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  1. I can deal with it when it adds substance to characters without taking over the plot like in


    This one series, Red Queen. The romantic plotlines help provide information on a characters mental state, interesting motivations, and just surprisingly deep analysis for the reader. Take Maven for example. His mother fucked up his brain, and through his obsession with Mare, the limits and effects of her power are explored. Or Evangeline. Her love for Elane led her to do whatever she could for them to be together, and she eventually became a better person for it. Her unpredictability was so interesting. And Mare and Cal shows their self-destructive habits, and their desire for something steady.

    But with that exception, I am increasingly frustrated with romantic plotlines. I could not care less about the color of the love interests eyes, especially when the main character is in the middle of fighting an evil tyrant for example.

  2. For me, it depends on what I am doing, and the people I am around.

    For people I am closer to, I tend to laugh such comments off, and/or turn them around on the speaker. I kind of leaned into my "strangeness" around my friends, so I know those comments are made affectionally and in jest.

    For people I don't know as well, those comments piss me off. I will proceed to do everything in my power to continue to do the behavior, especially if it is annoying. But privately, I will worry about it, and it will bother me for a while (as in my brain will bring it up years later).

  3. Just a place to rant about specific fictional romances. If it contains spoilers, just use the tag.

    For example, in "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" by Phillip K. Dick, 


    The main plot was disrupted because the main character was going to be unable to finish killing the androids unless he slept with one, because he fell in love with her. And by sleeping with her, he would get rid of those feelings and be able to kill her.

    About 3 chapters could have been taken out (the book is less than 200 pages), and no one would have noticed because it is so unimportant, but forced in there for some reason. I just wanted some good sci-fi and action.

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  4. 46 minutes ago, DeltaV said:

    Also Recursion by Blake Crouch?

    Reminds me of the unbearable Padme romance. Anakin is a mass-murderer too. Maybe his "not completely deranged" motive is enough excuse?

    So when it happens in Star Wars nothing is "mainstream" enough to not contain such stuff – it seems there's a romance equivalent of Poe's law:

    Without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between an sincere portrayal of romance and a parody of romance.

    Ok, ok, one has to make it very, very, VERY obvious for the audience to not take it seriously. Probably there are people out there who even think that the "Sword of Avowal" is "sooooo romantic". 💓

    Honestly, that is kinda scary that people see romcoms and are like "that is a perfect relationship!" Ummmm, no. Its intended to be nonsensical (which is why I can enjoy milder romcoms).

    Also, before my most recent post, I went on a rant about the unnecessary romance in Recursion. 

    Just, people doing awful stuff "in the name of love" is 1) a horrible excuse and 2) the most boring possible character motivation

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  5. I am a pianist, but funnily enough, my favorite period of music to play is Romantic, closely followed by Baroque.

    I am playing Clair de Lune right now, and my setting that I use to summon the "right" feeling was just the moon (and an empty recital space). But recently my teacher asked me to do research into the motivation behind the song, and every single article was speculating if it was about romance. With no evidence besides "the moon is romantic." I just wanted to find Debussey's process, not that nonsense.

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  6. Hm... I'd say there was an apocalyptic event that wiped out all life on earth. After which, an extraterrestrial being placed a glass of pure water on the surface. However, the atmosphere is now toxic, and after a series of chemical reactions, the water and the cup become parts of a combustable material. It then spontaneously combusts.

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  7. 4 hours ago, DeltaV said:
    On 11/8/2020 at 11:23 PM, Neon Green Packing Peanut said:

    It is unhealthy, but still happens

    I like that one, if it's absurd enough. Romance is where I have a strong tendency for black humor. In the Overlord light novels (an isekai story) there's one human adventurer who falls in love with the humanoid looking non-human Narberal, who despises humans and can barely disguise her hatred to not ruin her stealth missions. She rejects him with utter scorn and threats of a violent death but he still keeps going on flirting with her

    In the book I am reading right now, the guy: commited genocide, ethnic cleansing, enslaved her people, burned her city down(killing millions in the process), murdered her family, nearly killed her multiple times, lied to and manipulated her, and stalked her. Yet he is still somehow the love interest and all of that was excusable because he thought she was dead and was really sad. And now that it is 18 years later, and she is alive, he is now a good guy.

    It is so uncomfortable. And it is sad because the rest of the book is so good. The story is fascinating. I could just do without the clearly horrible pairing. I am personally hoping he dies.

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  8. 3 hours ago, Scoop said:

    I need to know romance is coming and then they have to meet my expectations. If I'm picking up a sci-fi novel say and there's going to be romance in it then it has to be secondary to the plot. The story can't divert off into a romance, that's not what I signed up for. 

    I recently read a phenomenal book (Recursion by Blake Crouch), and this happened. It was a fascinating book with amazing twists that you had to pause to even begin to wrap your head around. But, by the end, it stopped being about the actual plot, and just about the relationship between the main characters. It was so annoying.

    Minor spoilers :


    Seriously. The end of the book was just multiple rehashings of them falling in love in different timelines. Then the male lead decides that he was cool with the destruction of space and time because he was sad that his wife died. Instead of getting on with the plot he had to dig next to her coffin, overdose, nearly freeze to death, and then come to his senses.

    I am generally okay with romance existing in books, but only because I've come to see it as unavoidable. I find it annoying when:

    1. It is unhealthy, but still happens
    2. It takes over the main plot, or causes the characters to be stupid
    3. It is the only character motivation, or replaces existing motivations
    4. Love triangles exist
    5. When it becomes gushy
    6. Cliches/overdone plotlines occur
    7. One of them is super creepy about it
    8. Boundaries are ignored to begin with
    9. Most enemies-to-lovers things happen (sue me)
    10. They don't trust each other and/or forgive and ignore things
    11. One of them lives up to a bad reputation, and it is ignored
    12. If either of them was ever afraid of the other
    13. One of them makes huge sacrifices and the other doesn't give anything back
    14. A great action sequence is interrupted for a declaration of love
    15. Other less common things that don't immediately come to mind

    (That was a lot, and there are more)

    At those points, it goes from mildly annoying to uncomfortable.

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  9. The list is very long, and still incomplete, so I put it in a spoiler for the sake of everyone's sanity:


    - Any and all Terry Pratchett books

    - Strange the Dreamer series by Laini Taylor

    - Unwanteds series by Lisa McMann

    - Any of the Tortall books by Tamora Pierce

    - Illuminae Files by Amie Kaufmann and Jay Kristoff

    - Recursion by Blake Crouch (I just read this, and it is amazing)

    - Inheritance cycle by Christopher Paolini

    - Kane Cronicles, Heros of Olympus, and Percy Jackson and the Olympians series by Rick Riordan

    - Fablehaven series by Brandon Mull

    - Red Queen series by Victoria Aveyard

    - The Secret History by Donna Tartt

    - Any Kate DiCamillio book

    - The Mortality Doctrine by James Dashner

    - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy 5-part-trilogy by Douglas Adams

    - On a Sunbeam by Tillie Walden

    - When You Reach Me by Rebecca Stead

    - Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson

    - A Man Called Ove by Frederick Backman

    - The One and Only Ivan by Katherine Applegate

    - Where the Red Fern Grows by Wilson Rawls

    - Persepolis series by Marjane Satrapi

    - Educated by Tara Westover

    - The Glass Castle by Jeanette Walls

    - Dewey: The Small Town Library Cat Who Touched the World by Vicki Myron

    - All the Light We Cannot See by Anthony Doerr

    - The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nighttime by Mark Haddon

    - Eleanor Oliphant is Completly Fine by Gail Honeyman

    - I Lived on Butterfly Hill by Majorie Agosin

    - A Mango-Shaped Space by Wendy Mass

    - The Miseducation of Cameron Post by Emily M. Danforth

    - None of the Above by I.W Gregorio

    - Out of My Mind by Sharon M. Draper

    - The African Trilogy by Chinua Achebe

    - A Thousand Splendid Suns by Khaled Housseini

    - Turtles All the Way Down by John Green

    - We All Looked Up by Tommy Wallach

    - The Westing Game by Ellen Raskin

    - Where'd You Go Bernadette by Maria Semple

    - Ms. Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children series by Ransom Riggs

    Not sure if this indicates I read too much, my standards are too low, or both.

  10. Today I realized that people have had crushes on me.

    I was told by these people as well as by third parties of this fact.

    I technically knew, but my brain just comprehended the fact and went, "Hey! People liking you means they had a crush on you which means they had the crush stuff towards you."

  11. Dude, you do too care what people think of you. You can be yourself without trying to prove it to everyone.

    Also, hold onto your friends, its okay to be the first to reach out.

    (Also telling myself what to do to avoid some events I'd rather just forget)

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  12. On 10/14/2020 at 4:00 PM, neth said:

    I would say that in comparison to alloros, I treat my aquaintances more like friends and my friends more like romantic partners. I have noticed this ends up disappointing many of my aquainatances who believe we are friends until they realize thats how I treat everyone. It also leaves me vunerable to my friends who treats me more like I would an acquaintance. Which in turn leaves me upset, disappointed, and isolated. This disconnection has made me realize I simply cannot do interpersonal relations the same way as my peers in my environment.

    This... this explains so much. I have been internally explaining it by placing people into categories with complicated descriptions, but this makes way more sense! It also explains just so many past interactions.

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  13. I haven't ever been in a romantic relationship, so I may not be the best source, but I can relate to being super uncomfortable with people expressing those feelings towards me, though not to that extent.

    It could just be romance repulsion, which is not an indicator of aromanticism on its own. Regardless of the extreme disgust, it seems a bit like [edit: I messed up on terms, it is correct now I believe] lithromantic, where romantic feelings fade upon reciprocation. 

    Of course, no one but you can say for sure, and I encourage you to continue to look into it.

    I hope this helps.

    Note: I previously said frayromantic; that is actually where romantic feelings fade upon meeting someone.

  14. On 10/19/2020 at 2:01 PM, a tiny tortoise said:

    Hold up...I thought that everyone did this? Because I purposely avoid saying I love you to my friends in fear of them thinking I have a crush on them, and I don't snuggle with them for the same reason even though I love snuggling. But allos don't do this with anyone they don't have a crush on??

    I suppose it depends on the person. But for me, there was a time where I would not interact with a boy without being forced to. I also find it very difficult to say "I love you" to my friends, even though they say it to me. The only time I didn't is when we specified "I love you platonically" but I fell out of touch with that friend unfortunately.

    Also, most of the people at my school tend to use the term a lot towards even people they don't know very well.

  15. Really just wondering if anyone can relate and/or advice.

    A rant, featuring feelings of inadequacy and confusion:

    I really, really hate that I can't understand romantic love. A little part of me does appreciate that I won't get sucked into that, but I don't even know what "that" is. And it bothers me. I keep finding descriptions that I think that I maybe understand but then I get those feelings singing in the car with my family.

    I badly want to understand it. Part of it, I'm sure, is some internalized amatonormativity and arophobia where if I understand it, I'll feel it, but its not just that. I try to understand everything I come across, analyzing anything, from a random rock to social interactions that happened years ago. And I usually get a satisfying conclusion. But this time, I keep failing to grasp at staws that I feel like I should be able to see, but still can't.

    It feels like there is a wall inside my brain preventing me from understanding it, and every time I realize I was wrong, it gets stronger. Which, true, affirms my identity, which makes be feel good, but also makes me feel frustrated and sad, like I failed again. 

    At this point, I'm not really looking for even more explanations, because it seems doing so has been harmful to me. Still, it would be nice to know if anyone feels the same way.

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  16. On 5/19/2016 at 9:53 PM, DannyFenton123 said:

    Somebody That I Used to Know is another one with a cool melody. The lyrics aren't bad (what would I know about a bad love song) but they're completely unrelatable to me :P

    Um, wow, you "just" brought back some memories for me...

    I found this song after I had moved houses as a kid, and I related to it so much because I connected it to missing, but no longer being connected to, my old friends. It was my favorite song for a few months, but when I heard it years later (still feeling those feelings), I realized it was about love, and was upset that the song had been ruined for me. It's a good song, but most of its appeal to me was its relatability.

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