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El011

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  • Birthday 10/23/1997

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    El
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  1. not to be That person but i feel like a lot of language used on aven is super clinical sounding. like how everyone refers to people as males or females, or to non-ace people as sexuals. like "she's a sexual female" or "I'm surrounded by sexuals." Calling people sexuals, especially, is just really dehumanizing imo. it sounds like everyone is talking about animals rather than other humans and it gives me the creeps. has anyone else noticed?

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    2. asexualpanda27

      asexualpanda27

      That's interesting. I took a look at the link, and I had never heard that side of it before. Thank you for sharing it with me! I'm asexual, so my opinion doesn't really matter, but I do think that using the term "sexual" can be confusing since it's used so broadly. To me it also implies that ace people can't be sexually active. Same with romantic. That could be talking about romance in general ("That picnic is so romantic!") or the Romantic era in literature or describing someone as a "hopeless romantic" (which I am even though I'm aro). I've always used "allo" or "alloro" and no one has corrected me, but if someone told me that they prefer to be called something else I would respect that. It's probably a preference thing for most people. I do agree that AVEN can be a mess sometimes. I think it's important to remember that language is complex and ever-changing. Right now terms are in a state of flux because the asexual/aromantic communities aren't very well-known and there doesn't seem to be an widely agreed-upon consensus of terms. We're all doing our best to find a word or words that feels right. We're just working with what we have. @Neon Green Packing Peanut

    3. El011

      El011

      i don't like allosexual or alloromantic either btw. i feel like they group marginalized people with oppressors and imply that non ace and/or non aro people are a coherent privileged group with shared experiences and that's obviously going to be wildly untrue for lgbt people, women, poc, intersex people, disabled people, etc. also, a lot of people act like there's a certain level and frequency of attraction and relationship to sex (and romance) that you must have in order to be "allo" which sexualizes people without their consent and is actually just super creepy to assume about someone. i use the term gray aro because i find it useful to describe what i'm looking for in a relationship and how i feel about attraction, not because i think there's an inherent difference between me and someone non-aro or that they have privilege over me. we should just say non-ace or non-aro, those terms don't assume or imply anything besides that the individual doesn't identify as ace and/or aro.

    4. Neon

      Neon

      @asexualpanda27 @Finn

      I agree with both points. Unfortunately terms that change or emerge aren't always going to be the best options, and given additional information, hopefully those terms are simply points to revise from.

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